Sunday, April 7, 2013

Being gay versus owning guns.

I'm motivated this morning as I am engaged in an online debate with some good people that have an opinion opposite mine on the topic of gun control.  Their argument, as passionate as they are about it, is based on emotion, not on fact.  It's hard to argue fact to people once their emotions get involved.  Harder still, is arguing with people that have based their strong opinion on the slanted angles of major media, but have never bothered to research for themselves the facts.

Hilter used propaganda in the media to control his countrymen.  Unfortunately in America, this same tactic is being used. 

I am against any sort of gun control.  Any.  In my opinion, when the founding fathers used the phrase "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed..." that the phrase is beyond argument.

The founding fathers didn't say " be regulated by government..." or "...rights are for the current government to decide."  The founding father also did not say "shall be infringed by the will of the government."  The founding fathers said "shall not be infringed."

This means:

infringe  [in-frinj]

Part of Speech: verb

Definition: violate

Synonyms: borrow, breach, break, contravene, crash, disobey, encroach, entrench, impose, infract, intrude, invade, lift, meddle, obtrude, offend, pirate, presume, steal, transgress, trespass

Notes: to impinge is to come into contact or encroach or have an impact; to infringe is to encroach on a right or privilege or to violate

Antonyms: comply, discharge, obey, observe


This is pretty clear to me.  There really can be no argument.

Let's compare gun related deaths to something else people are passionate about: Gay rights.

To quote from the CDC website from 2010:

"An estimated 15,529 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2010..."

To quote from another page of the CDC website from 2010:

Firearm homicides:  •Number of deaths: 11,078
                              •Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6

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Gays murdered 4500 more people than guns in 2010 using gun control advocates' rationale.

So, maybe we should really be banning gays.

Being gay and having AIDS is MUCH more dangerous than owning guns.  Almost 4500 MORE people were killed by being gay and having AIDS in 2010 than were by guns. 

It isn't a Constitutional Right to be gay.

It isn't specifically written in the Bill of Rights for the United States that anyone can be gay.

Ban assault gays! Nobody NEEDS to be gay!

I only make these statements to illustrate how ridiculous the statements are to "Ban assault weapons!" and "Nobody NEEDS assault weapons!"

Truly, I don't have anything against gays, but I'm trying to make a point.

Really, I'm trying to trick you.  I want you to think.  I want you to argue with me that the rate of deaths by AIDS doesn't solidly reflect that everyone that died from AIDS was gay.


Using the rationale of gun murder data, it is also true to say that gun murder statistics do NOT include any sort of rate of gun murder from LAWFUL gun owners. The gun murder data also does NOT reflect the rate of gun murder in "gun free" zones.  Sounds a little fishy, yes?  Using this rationale,  if owning a semi automatic defense rifle makes you a murderer, being gay makes you a carrier of AIDS and a danger to others in society.  Being gay makes you a murderer of almost 4500 more people per year than guns kill.

Grouping all gun owners (lawful and criminals) into a category that suggest that they will commit violent crime is dangerous and irresponsible. It is NO different than suggesting that ALL gays can/might/will have AIDS and could be a danger to society via infection with their disease.

Also, I will argue that not everyone that has a gun of any sort has murdered anyone. If you consider that a MUCH greater percentage of the population has guns than is gay, the rate of death per gun owned in America is very, very low in comparison to the rate of death from AIDS by gays.

People are so quick to forget that the gun murder capitals of the USA right now have the strictest gun laws. You do know that it is fact that you are more likely to be killed by a gun as a civilian in Chicago than you are as military personal in the middle east. I will post one source of this information behind this post. If you think it's bullcrap, search for yourself.


Again, I have nothing against gays.  Nothing at all.  I'm just trying to make a point.

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